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		<title>By: The &#8220;Don&#8217;t Mess with a Blogger&#8221; post &#124; Ultimate Nicheless Randomity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The &#8220;Don&#8217;t Mess with a Blogger&#8221; post &#124; Ultimate Nicheless Randomity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] re-blog, re-tweet, re-post and make all of you know your power as a blogger. That is because this post made me do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jdematahimik</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdematahimik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have to check this out!!! I challenge the media to conduct a depth investigation in this case!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Sylvester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently read the version of one of the Pangandaman&#039;s flightmates who also played golf with them on that very day. I strongly suggest that you read different angles of the story before you side with any party.

My uncle also happens to be playing at Valley golf at the time and saw the incident. He confirmed that Mr. dela Paz poked pangandaman with an umbrella at the clubhouse that started the fighting. Many witnesses at the clubhouse (not just the caddies) also confirmed that the elder brother arrived wielding a baseball bat and the mother with a knife, prompting the mayor&#039;s bodyguards to take out an M-16 rifle in defense. Moreover, there were witnesses to the dela pazes hitting their golf balls to where the pangandaman&#039;s were and not shouting &quot;fore,&quot; despite the respectful manner that the latter told the former to play ahead of their group.

After carefully reading the two blogs and hearing the testimony of my uncle and his friends, at this point I am inclined to believe that it&#039;s the pangandamans who were the victims of injustice and slander, when the dela pazes immediately turned to the media to state their plea. What surprises me know is how Bambee dela Paz was able to fabricate so much garbage that very same night in her blog, but I guess kids nowadays have quite an imagination.

I thought Valley Golf made a fair decision in banning the Dela Pazes for life in that course. Members in that club are actually saying &quot;nakahanap din ng katapat ang mga Dela Paz&quot; na yan, because they are reputed to be very arrogant way before that incident last year. F.Y.I., Sec. Nasser was only suspended, but his two sons were banned from that club for life as well, just for being in the fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently read the version of one of the Pangandaman&#8217;s flightmates who also played golf with them on that very day. I strongly suggest that you read different angles of the story before you side with any party.</p>
<p>My uncle also happens to be playing at Valley golf at the time and saw the incident. He confirmed that Mr. dela Paz poked pangandaman with an umbrella at the clubhouse that started the fighting. Many witnesses at the clubhouse (not just the caddies) also confirmed that the elder brother arrived wielding a baseball bat and the mother with a knife, prompting the mayor&#8217;s bodyguards to take out an M-16 rifle in defense. Moreover, there were witnesses to the dela pazes hitting their golf balls to where the pangandaman&#8217;s were and not shouting &#8220;fore,&#8221; despite the respectful manner that the latter told the former to play ahead of their group.</p>
<p>After carefully reading the two blogs and hearing the testimony of my uncle and his friends, at this point I am inclined to believe that it&#8217;s the pangandamans who were the victims of injustice and slander, when the dela pazes immediately turned to the media to state their plea. What surprises me know is how Bambee dela Paz was able to fabricate so much garbage that very same night in her blog, but I guess kids nowadays have quite an imagination.</p>
<p>I thought Valley Golf made a fair decision in banning the Dela Pazes for life in that course. Members in that club are actually saying &#8220;nakahanap din ng katapat ang mga Dela Paz&#8221; na yan, because they are reputed to be very arrogant way before that incident last year. F.Y.I., Sec. Nasser was only suspended, but his two sons were banned from that club for life as well, just for being in the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just the Facts on Valley Incident
“(T)he tales told by both camps are miles apart. Thus, how can one know the truth the except when there are other witnesses to corroborate their stories?”

by Ducky Paredes



The Philippine Blogosphere (a coined word that has come to mean the prevailing opinion on a particular issue as reflected by bloggers on the internet) has been agog over an incident in Valley Golf and Country Club in which one participant reported that her kid brother and her 56-year old father were beaten senseless by a cabinet secretary’s son – a small town mayor in Lanao – over nothing. In fact, according to her blog, this senseless incident had her and her brother pleading for mercy while these thugs beat them to a virtual pulp.

Upon reading this, since Malaya had no issues during the Christmas-New Year break, I wrote a short piece on a golfer’s reflections on the incident in my blog (www.duckyparedes.com/blogs) based on what I had heard as a member of Valley.

Now, from testimony of witnesses to the incident – caddies of both parties, the marshal, the starter and other club personnel – to the investigators, I am clearer on what happened.

What I narrate ignores the testimonies of the so-called victims (Delfin, Bambi and Dino De la Paz) or the alleged ruffians (Secretary Nasser Pagandaman of DAR and Mayor Nasser Pangandaman, Jr. and four other male companions) where these have no corroborating witnesses.

Here are the facts:

On December 26, at or around 1:00 p.m., there were two flights from the Pangandamans followed by one of the De la Paz family. Since there were two late players in the Pangandaman flights, they teed off with three players on each flight. Following them was a flight of two players – Bambee and Dino – with the father walking with them.

On reaching the green of Hole No. 3, Delfin was surprised to see two golf carts with two players getting off at Hole No. 4. (The other golf cart carried their caddies and was driven by a grounds marshal.)

Delfin accosted them. Mayor Nasser, Jr. explained that they were part of the group ahead and were only joining them a bit late. When Delfin told him that they would be five players in their flight, the Mayor explained that there would only by four of them, since one of the players in their second flight would move up to the first flight to accommodate the two new players.

Thus, they teed off.

On Hole No. 5, a De la Paz caddy was sent to ask why there were five golfers in their flight. Nasser Jr. explained that there were only four and that, besides, they would let the De la Paz flight move ahead of their flight on the next hole. The caddy says that he relayed this to Delfin.

Between Hole No. 5 and 6 is a tee house where one can take refreshments. There Nasser, Jr,’s flight caught up with Secretary Nasser’s flight. The mayor asked his father to let the next flight through since they seemed in a hurry and, besides, he said that they were long-hitters and good players. They agreed on this.

When the De la Paz flight was coming in from Hole No. 5, they were waved through by the players and the caddies to the next hole beyond the tee house. The mayor decided to personally inform Delfin. He started to say that they were allowing the De la Paz flight to move ahead of both Pangandaman flights but was met by an expletive: “P—– I—M-. Sabi mo apat kayo; bakit lima kayo?”

When the mayor explained that they were only four in his flight, Delfin was further incensed: Don’t you know who I am? Are you a member here? While repeatedly stabbing Nasser, Jr. with his umbrella.

At that point, Hussein, the younger brother, joined in by punching Delfin. Bino to the rescue! He swung his driver at the mayor who parried the blow but injured his hand. Both brothers then repeatedly punched De La Paz father and son, who also fought back.

The rest of the Pangandaman group – except for the secretary and the woman companion of the mayor – tried to stop the fight and eventually succeeded.

The De la Paz group went back to the clubhouse and the Pangandamans stayed behind. No more golf for either for the rest of the day. Hussein had blood on his face from punches he received from Bino and a scratch (courtesy of Bambee).

Did Delfin need help walking? Had he been beaten to a pulp? No. In fact, he was on his cellphone, spiritedly calling for what seemed like reinforcements.

(On returning to the clubhouse, while the rest of the Pangandamans were taking dirt off their shoes, Hussein went to wash up. Unfortunately, he and Bino met up again. According to Bino, he knelt in front of Hussein to beg that he stop hurting him. According to Hussein, Bino raised his hand. He thought the boy would hit him again; so, he gave him a punch. There were no witnesses to this. I included this only to show that the tales told by both camps are miles apart. Thus, how can one know the truth the except when there are other witnesses to corroborate their stories? )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the Facts on Valley Incident<br />
“(T)he tales told by both camps are miles apart. Thus, how can one know the truth the except when there are other witnesses to corroborate their stories?”</p>
<p>by Ducky Paredes</p>
<p>The Philippine Blogosphere (a coined word that has come to mean the prevailing opinion on a particular issue as reflected by bloggers on the internet) has been agog over an incident in Valley Golf and Country Club in which one participant reported that her kid brother and her 56-year old father were beaten senseless by a cabinet secretary’s son – a small town mayor in Lanao – over nothing. In fact, according to her blog, this senseless incident had her and her brother pleading for mercy while these thugs beat them to a virtual pulp.</p>
<p>Upon reading this, since Malaya had no issues during the Christmas-New Year break, I wrote a short piece on a golfer’s reflections on the incident in my blog (www.duckyparedes.com/blogs) based on what I had heard as a member of Valley.</p>
<p>Now, from testimony of witnesses to the incident – caddies of both parties, the marshal, the starter and other club personnel – to the investigators, I am clearer on what happened.</p>
<p>What I narrate ignores the testimonies of the so-called victims (Delfin, Bambi and Dino De la Paz) or the alleged ruffians (Secretary Nasser Pagandaman of DAR and Mayor Nasser Pangandaman, Jr. and four other male companions) where these have no corroborating witnesses.</p>
<p>Here are the facts:</p>
<p>On December 26, at or around 1:00 p.m., there were two flights from the Pangandamans followed by one of the De la Paz family. Since there were two late players in the Pangandaman flights, they teed off with three players on each flight. Following them was a flight of two players – Bambee and Dino – with the father walking with them.</p>
<p>On reaching the green of Hole No. 3, Delfin was surprised to see two golf carts with two players getting off at Hole No. 4. (The other golf cart carried their caddies and was driven by a grounds marshal.)</p>
<p>Delfin accosted them. Mayor Nasser, Jr. explained that they were part of the group ahead and were only joining them a bit late. When Delfin told him that they would be five players in their flight, the Mayor explained that there would only by four of them, since one of the players in their second flight would move up to the first flight to accommodate the two new players.</p>
<p>Thus, they teed off.</p>
<p>On Hole No. 5, a De la Paz caddy was sent to ask why there were five golfers in their flight. Nasser Jr. explained that there were only four and that, besides, they would let the De la Paz flight move ahead of their flight on the next hole. The caddy says that he relayed this to Delfin.</p>
<p>Between Hole No. 5 and 6 is a tee house where one can take refreshments. There Nasser, Jr,’s flight caught up with Secretary Nasser’s flight. The mayor asked his father to let the next flight through since they seemed in a hurry and, besides, he said that they were long-hitters and good players. They agreed on this.</p>
<p>When the De la Paz flight was coming in from Hole No. 5, they were waved through by the players and the caddies to the next hole beyond the tee house. The mayor decided to personally inform Delfin. He started to say that they were allowing the De la Paz flight to move ahead of both Pangandaman flights but was met by an expletive: “P—– I—M-. Sabi mo apat kayo; bakit lima kayo?”</p>
<p>When the mayor explained that they were only four in his flight, Delfin was further incensed: Don’t you know who I am? Are you a member here? While repeatedly stabbing Nasser, Jr. with his umbrella.</p>
<p>At that point, Hussein, the younger brother, joined in by punching Delfin. Bino to the rescue! He swung his driver at the mayor who parried the blow but injured his hand. Both brothers then repeatedly punched De La Paz father and son, who also fought back.</p>
<p>The rest of the Pangandaman group – except for the secretary and the woman companion of the mayor – tried to stop the fight and eventually succeeded.</p>
<p>The De la Paz group went back to the clubhouse and the Pangandamans stayed behind. No more golf for either for the rest of the day. Hussein had blood on his face from punches he received from Bino and a scratch (courtesy of Bambee).</p>
<p>Did Delfin need help walking? Had he been beaten to a pulp? No. In fact, he was on his cellphone, spiritedly calling for what seemed like reinforcements.</p>
<p>(On returning to the clubhouse, while the rest of the Pangandamans were taking dirt off their shoes, Hussein went to wash up. Unfortunately, he and Bino met up again. According to Bino, he knelt in front of Hussein to beg that he stop hurting him. According to Hussein, Bino raised his hand. He thought the boy would hit him again; so, he gave him a punch. There were no witnesses to this. I included this only to show that the tales told by both camps are miles apart. Thus, how can one know the truth the except when there are other witnesses to corroborate their stories? )</p>
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		<title>By: Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have u read bout the results of the investigation?it was the dela paz&#039;s who acted arrogantly. Wag naman kayong react nang react agad without hearing the other side. Yan xactly prob nating mga pinoy. madaling magreact at maniwala sa mga drama. Kawawa ang hnd magsasalta sa media sa inu.Tsk tsk tsk. B fair naman and wise people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have u read bout the results of the investigation?it was the dela paz&#8217;s who acted arrogantly. Wag naman kayong react nang react agad without hearing the other side. Yan xactly prob nating mga pinoy. madaling magreact at maniwala sa mga drama. Kawawa ang hnd magsasalta sa media sa inu.Tsk tsk tsk. B fair naman and wise people</p>
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		<title>By: Credibility : OTWOMD &#124; Bluepanjeet.Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credibility : OTWOMD &#124; Bluepanjeet.Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or fourth hand information coming from the media, forums and blogs. That&#8217;s why we are called bloggers and not journalists precisely because we only blog about our personal experiences, views and opinions, details that we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: flapjacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>flapjacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>three commenters,but one voice. hmm.. arimao meno, sittie hedjara and mimbantas jr. seems like you&#039;re sour graping? when you were the mayor of your town, were you able to put up a municipal hall? i don&#039;t think so. in fact, i know you did nothing during your term ... but honestly, i dont think the people who own these names even know that they left comments here. maybe i should ask them when i see them. hahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>three commenters,but one voice. hmm.. arimao meno, sittie hedjara and mimbantas jr. seems like you&#8217;re sour graping? when you were the mayor of your town, were you able to put up a municipal hall? i don&#8217;t think so. in fact, i know you did nothing during your term &#8230; but honestly, i dont think the people who own these names even know that they left comments here. maybe i should ask them when i see them. hahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging can simply make or break a person... sometimes, I think before posting a controversial post coz I might offend some people... and there might be &quot;RULES&quot; in blogging that I don&#039;t know yet coz I am new to blogging... but sometimes, I am just so tempted to ruin this one person&#039;s life!!! coz I know I have the power too!!!  but then again... i think responsibly... that you could not take back what you say online sometimes... but with Bambee I applaud her for being Brave and using this tool for a cause...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogging can simply make or break a person&#8230; sometimes, I think before posting a controversial post coz I might offend some people&#8230; and there might be &#8220;RULES&#8221; in blogging that I don&#8217;t know yet coz I am new to blogging&#8230; but sometimes, I am just so tempted to ruin this one person&#8217;s life!!! coz I know I have the power too!!!  but then again&#8230; i think responsibly&#8230; that you could not take back what you say online sometimes&#8230; but with Bambee I applaud her for being Brave and using this tool for a cause&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Obliterated: An Anti Pangandaman Blogger - Viloria.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obliterated: An Anti Pangandaman Blogger - Viloria.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a sense that&#8217;s probably why journalist Caloy Conde commented that blogging and journalism are just not the same, in response to a question on whether bloggers write truthfully and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mimbantas,Jr.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helo Carlos Conde...pls help us in Lanao thru ur blog and write up.Wat im writing here is really true,I swear to ALLAH.Our mayor Hon.Nasser Pangandaman,Jr. never reports in the office.He never,ever stayedeven 32 hours.u know why? becoz he is still a student and his close relatives are the one managing the municipality.This is really a great corruption.Most of the Pangandaman when they are in power are corrupt.They only won this mayoralty seat because they bought votes.We are just little voice and nobody in the society.Am sure this will not be heard and entertain but this is really the truth and nothing but the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helo Carlos Conde&#8230;pls help us in Lanao thru ur blog and write up.Wat im writing here is really true,I swear to ALLAH.Our mayor Hon.Nasser Pangandaman,Jr. never reports in the office.He never,ever stayedeven 32 hours.u know why? becoz he is still a student and his close relatives are the one managing the municipality.This is really a great corruption.Most of the Pangandaman when they are in power are corrupt.They only won this mayoralty seat because they bought votes.We are just little voice and nobody in the society.Am sure this will not be heard and entertain but this is really the truth and nothing but the truth.</p>
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